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Watering down of the forum.

Post by Eric M Palmer on Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:03 pm

I have seen a move from the forum to facebook and as a result instead of a quick glance on one place to look at posts one finds there are multi places to look. I see an advantage using flicka or Minus to show pictures due to the size of picture with the latter even RAW images can be shared but in both cases these still allow pictures to be placed on the forum or facebook for quick viewing but with facebook the image is smaller than with the forum to the extent where one has to really go to source be it http://www.servimg.com, flicka or Minus to view and the idea of flicking between picture and facebook just seems daft.

Also with the forum one can split into paragraphs to assist easy reading but with facebook hit return and it will auto complete the entry so to write a report with paragraphs means writing in word or the like then cut and paste rather than direct onto the web. The only advantage/disadvantage of facebook is the email sent when there is a new post. This includes all posts not just ones subscribed to. I have since going to camera club facebook disabled the notifications as far too many were being received.

Pictures posted on face book can be shown on here. However the problem I have found is from time to time the link address changes so return to a post in a years time and likely the picture will have gone. This is one of the reasons why forums have their own picture section it avoids dead links. But the user has the option to either link or use the forums own web-space. Facebook however takes any pictures linked to and imports them onto their own space so near impossible to remove an image once it gets onto facebook.

I just don't see the point in having two places to put pictures up. I can see some may wish to chat with facebook and the idea of using facebook instead of chat box does have the advantage of being able to scroll back and see entries a day latter but to use facebook instead of chat box with challenge will mean yet another tab opened and just can't see the point.

Had we not had the forum then facebook would be good idea but forum is running well so why dilute it with two separate methods of doing the same thing?

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Re: Watering down of the forum.

Post by David Lewis on Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:03 pm

I pretty much agree with you Eric but the forum only works when people use it.
It has been very quiet over the last year.

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Re: Watering down of the forum.

Post by David Allen on Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:17 pm

I think that the forum when it was active was great and was like you Eric one of the few who tried to keep it alive. Although I am not a competition photographer I was/am happy to throw images in to the pot for discussion.

Now that FB page is active I think that the future of the forum is pretty bleak. I do not and have never posted large versions of my pictures on the web and gave up on flickr a year ago I disliked the format change and the temptation to put up second rate images was too great. So now I put pictures on FB and in my blog. One of the things that is particularly good about the FB group is the opportunity to share the work of other photographers something which I think was less successful in this forum.
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Re: Watering down of the forum.

Post by Eric M Palmer on Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:08 pm

Now Pammy has taken over the Challenge maybe we will see more activity on the forum. Facebook to the club is new and anything new seems to get loads of use so maybe it will latter drop down to same level as forum?
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Re: Watering down of the forum.

Post by David Lewis on Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:53 pm

I think the Facebook page will work better to all keep in touch as most of us use it more day by day for contact with family, friends hobbies etc.
Because the club forum was not updated for long periods like the calender and the home page, people tended to not bother.
I understand that someone has to take the time to update on a daily basis and I could not do it because of work commitments so I can understand why it was overlooked.
At least with Facebook, we can all keep the dialogue going away from the club meetings and all share the very interesting posts and pictures by Pammy, David etc.
We need to use the forum for what it was designed for and use Facebook for more general contact.

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Re: Watering down of the forum.

Post by Mike Catania on Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:59 pm

I seem to have less and less time nowadays and must admit, my visits to the forum have become fewer. The attraction FB has for group discussion is that more people are active on FB than the forum. I do think the forum days are numbered. I can still see it being used occasional to archive an article but not for discussion. There just aren't enough of us.
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Re: Watering down of the forum.

Post by Pammy Sheldon on Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:05 am

I feel like I should apologise for setting up the Facebook group Very Happy

Being a member of other photographic groups on Facebook I knew how useful that could be, I was also approached by a couple of members who wished to see more activity for the club on Facebook.

I have always loved the forum and in the same spirit the Facebook group is open only to members of the club and it's contents can not be seen by anyone that is not a member of the group.

I think that Facebook is faster too, if an image is posted for review a response is relatively fast which is perfect if you are working on the image at the time.

However, if only to prove a point, I notice that it is only the same people that have commented on this post that have joined in on here in about 12 months!
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Re: Watering down of the forum.

Post by Eric M Palmer on Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:29 am

I personally seem to have a problem with face book I seem to get a different page https://www.facebook.com/MoldCameraClubPage with this laptop to other laptop. It says face book started 6th Sept 2012 why it has taken off now I don't know. The other one says https://www.facebook.com/groups/257316624433332/ says started on 15th Jan 2014 I would assume this is the unofficial one but don't know.
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Re: Watering down of the forum.

Post by David Lewis on Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:07 am

Pammy, you are doing a great job.
It has to be said.

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Re: Watering down of the forum.

Post by Eric M Palmer on Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:45 am

Yes Pammy good job it's just me I hate Facebook.
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Re: Watering down of the forum.

Post by David Allen on Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:54 am

Hi Eric I think that you are confusing pages and groups on Facebook. The camera club had an official page and it also has the members private group

When you log in to Facebook on to the home page you will see in the left hand column different sections:- favourites, pages, friends and groups. Just follow the links from under those headings and it should work fine.
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Re: Watering down of the forum.

Post by Pammy Sheldon on Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:29 am

I do have another trick up my sleeve for the facebook group Wink Well it is always worth trying and seeing if everyone likes it, hope to launch soon Wink

Eric, I think David's explanation is better than my garbled message I sent you Smile Only time will tell how the facebook group does but I am hoping it will be a platform to learn, teach and swap idea with each other. I am very keen on sharing knowledge, after all enough members shared their knowledge with me since I have been a member Smile
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Re: Watering down of the forum.

Post by Ken Sweetman on Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:01 pm

I understood when the forum started that those joining had to be a club member and use their proper name when signing in. Today I noticed that the latest member is Byrom! no address or details. I think the club should make up its mind to carry on with the forum, properly run, or transfer to Facebook but not try to do both.
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Re: Watering down of the forum.

Post by David Lewis on Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:55 pm

Whoops Ken, it is his name. He is also on Facebook club too.

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Re: Watering down of the forum.

Post by Ken Sweetman on Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:41 pm

Good Lord! Thanks for the info David

Sorry Byrom.

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Re: Watering down of the forum.

Post by David Lewis on Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:08 pm

You made me smile Ken.

Have a good day.

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Re: Watering down of the forum.

Post by Byrom on Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:24 pm

Hi Ken, Yes Byrom is my name really  Very Happy  and I tend to just use my first name only, it being quite rare.
I will fill in a bit more detail for the shortly.

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Re: Watering down of the forum.

Post by David Lewis on Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:52 pm

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy 
Its all good.
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Re: Watering down of the forum.

Post by Eric M Palmer on Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:14 pm

Ken Sweetman wrote:I understood when the forum started that those joining had to be a club member and use their proper name when signing in. Today I noticed that the latest member is Byrom! no address or details. I think the club should make up its mind to carry on with the forum, properly run, or transfer to Facebook but not try to do both.
For day to day comments face book works however for teaching it does not as items scroll out of view and are lost. I find with this forum I can still find Glyn's post about InstantRAWtoJpeg and follow the link to get a new copy but for look for link on face book would take ages as there are no sections for different things like the forum has.

Also on the forum we have a rule as to avatar so we know who everyone is but with face book it links to your own page to get avatar so one can't really ask members to keep to a avatar of there own face when it would mean it's also displayed on their own page.

The ease of inserting a picture with facebook means very little training is required with this forum it is I will admit harder to insert a picture from scratch but with the forum I can link to facebook so I can show this image hosted on facebook in the forum but the reverse is not so easy.

If we ran the challenge on facebook it would scroll the system so much in one night everything else would be lost and there would be a danger of the judge not seeing all pictures.

However facebook auto updates there is no need to refresh to see new entries. So I do think both have there place.

But we do seem to have duel standards it would seem ex-members still have access to the forum but at the AGM it was clearly stated ex-members were not to have access to the closed facebook can't really have duel standards. We even have deceased members still listed on the forum may be they have to be left on so there avatar still is placed next to there posts?

We had just 12 visitors in May 2014 so yes the use has fallen off since facebook restricted page was started. With only 33 this year but still feel it is the best place for any instruction sets to show how to use cameras or software so the forum still has a place.
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Re: Watering down of the forum.

Post by Ken Sweetman on Fri Jun 06, 2014 5:16 am

Hi Eric,

I must point out that when I wrote the bit about People joining the forum & not using their proper names I was unaware the Byrom was a new member & that was his real name, albeit his first name. I did apologise to Byrom for my error.
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Re: Watering down of the forum.

Post by Eric M Palmer on Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:33 am

I realise that ken but I do find I can't place who some of the people are on the facebook page but because of the rules with forum I know who people are and can talk to them personally at club meetings.

Clearly a celebrity like yourself is known by all but others are less known.

But with the forum I find it easy to look back, with the facebook page miss a day and posts have scrolled so one misses some vital information.

I will admit facebook does have some tools to help from pinned posts to Events the latter if used would be very useful in following what is going on but for some reason the Events option is not being used so we rely on Pammy to control the content if she should for any reason not monitor and control the page then it would fail. However even with little admin input the forum still plods on doing a grand job.
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